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AR:
We are looking at the two cathedrals in Belfast, how important is
the two cathedral partnership?
HOUSTON
MCKELVEY: I think it is important in a place like Belfast where
there has been division that that partnership is maintained, that
we are seen to be worshipping from time to time with each other
in public and also that the clergy are seen in less formal roles
around the city together. It is a symbol. There is a joint witness
to Christianity and it also sends a strong signal to visitors from
elsewhere saying, everything here is not divided. Hugh
Kennedy and I are the administrators of the two iconic buildings
of two traditions. We are very good friends.
For me one
of the top moments in my ministry was when St Peters was being
re-hallowed and I was invited along to the service and together
Monsignor Toner and I poured the first water into the new font.
There are very few cities where the relationship between Anglican
and Catholic is so strong that that can happen without any diminution
of difference but a great deal of shared expression in the commonality
of our baptism. It has been a joyful bit of the pilgrimage.
AR: What
is your vision for St Annes?
HMcK: It is
not solely my vision. Deans by their very nature come and go but
cathedrals go on and I have inherited a very fine tradition. So
I am not a pioneer. I may be a developer, but there were a lot of
excellent components in place.
First of all,
we seek to be an open Eucharistic community. Our principal act of
worship on a Sunday is our 10.00am said and our 11.00am sung Eucharist.
Were a place where people gather around the Word of God and
express that relationship with the risen Christ in communion.
We maintain
the Anglican choral tradition and put a lot of financial resources
and effort into that with our director of music, assistant organist
and programme for choristers. We have established choral scholarships
and choral exhibitions and have had a rich vein of people passing
through. This cathedral has a tradition of producing professional
singers from time to time. And that type of outreach through music,
to parents and their children, is vital to the lifeblood here.
We have no
real parish boundaries. If you look at the worshipping community
on a Sunday we have only one person resident in the old St Annes
Parish. People come from Whitehead to Portadown to Donaghadee, because
of the type of worship here. We have a very musically educated congregation.
So there is that tremendous resource to build on. We have one of
the biggest music libraries in Ireland and we have the largest pipe
organ in Northern Ireland.
But this is
an expensive operation. And from the point of the stewardship of
a Christian resource in the city, what do you do? I think we have
long since been accepted as Anglican and neutral, which is almost
a contradiction in terms. We have a welcoming environment and we
see our welcoming happening on a variety of levels.
We have an
increasing number of visitors and a great team of volunteer cathedral
stewards, and we need more, simply to keep the door open from 10.00am
to 4.00pm, Monday to Saturday.
What we have
here is sacred space. That is why I am anxious about the development
of Writers Square and places round about because the number
of places people can go to spiritually chill out in
a quiet space are getting fewer.
We would like
to do a lot more to interpret the cathedral for the visitor. We
have developed a prayer walk of the cathedral and stewards who are
very gifted at conducting people around this building. It is a very
rich resource. It saddens me that, while tens of thousands of visitors
pass through here in a year, so many people from Belfast and Northern
Ireland have never come to see what there is here wonderful
stained glass, wonderful mosaics. It is a great place to come and
take time to ponder about life.
On Sunday afternoons
we exercise the gift of Christian hospitality in worship. A number
of groups come on the same Sunday each year. The Royal Irish Regiment
has a remembrance service every November, the prison officers and
several schools have carol services here. But we are here also for
groups from the community wishing to celebrate a centenary or an
important occasion and to help them express that in worship. And
I will talk about clients and I will talk about our
ministry in enabling them to put their aspirations into prayer and
how they can put their mark on a service. I like to listen to what
the client is saying to us, read their history and enable them in
their reading of Scripture and, particularly in the intercessions,
help them tell their story, thank God, and pray for vision. For
example, in October we had the centenary of the Belfast Institute
of Insurance and the following week Fleming Fultons 50th anniversary
service. This is a particular form of Cathedral ministry
weve got the space and the worship resources.
A cathedral
provides that sense of the numinous, the presence of God. We are
not bringing people in to belt them with the Bible but
we are invitational and we dont compromise in what we are
doing. I think that we are evangelical in the richest sense of that
word we are saying, Come and share our riches.
At a time when
in some places attendance at morning service is dwindling, the use
of cathedrals in this way is increasing. For example, when tragic
events happen, where do you find space in modern society that enables
you to maybe express your support in prayer or your horror at what
has happened? In 2001, following 9/11, we brought the diocesan choirboys
from St Peters and our own choristers together and the kids
wrote prayers. And those prayers, together with the books of condolence,
were taken from both cathedrals here to both cathedrals in New York.
At times like 9/11 and at other sad occasions like the sinking of
the Titanic, it was to this cathedral that the people of the city
came.
I may have
my personal cynicism about some of our politicians, but we wouldnt
be where we are without the prayers that have been offered for peace,
particularly in a place like this. Brother David Jardine organised
prayer days through most of the Troubles here. And, please God,
hopefully we are coming out of our terror and our darkness, and
a Spire of Hope is being raised in the city. This spire can simply
remind people that the job isnt over. Peacemaking is an ongoing
process, it is going to go on till judgement day and may
the spire remind people of that. It also reminds all people of all
faiths that we believe in a God of hope through the Saviour of hope.
Cathedrals
are long-term projects, they are not built in a day, or even in
a century, but they do reflect the attempt of people to recognise
God throughout history.
AR: What
is the vision of the city that you preach, teach and celebrate?
HMcK: Prayer
for the city is the first call. The walls of the cathedral, with
the help of a voluntary team of lay people, are washed daily with
prayer for the people who keep the fabric of our society together.
We can also
be prophetic about the city. On occasion we have used the pulpit
to highlight social concerns and political concerns because we are
ordained as messengers and watchmen and there must be that balance
in ones personal ministry and, by extension, in the ministry
of our laity towards the community.
We have a very
active website and keep about 4,000 people informed through our
online magazine. We have developed an area on the site on spirituality
so that busy people can receive pointers for prayer. As a worshipping
community we are dispersed but we can unite in prayer.
We are also
involved in ACE Ventures which is an employment enabling agency
located in East Belfast. In the same way we have leased part of
the cathedral centre to Transition Training. We try to let the cathedral
be used as a place of culture. We have a couple of concerts coming
up and the cathedral choir does two concerts a year. We have tried
a number of exhibitions and host material which we believe to be
legitimate and consonant with our mission.
AR: What
are your hopes for the development of the city?
HMcK: I think
space is important. The planning authorities in Northern Ireland
have no concept of skyline. The wonderful skyline of the hills surrounding
the city have been obliterated by high-rise buildings. I like to
see buildings that are compatible with the local landscape. One
of the reasons we have put up the spire is that we know we will
be surrounded by seven-storey-high buildings.
One of the
good things coming with some of the development is that people are
going to be living here. We dont want to see the local people
move out of the Cathedral Quarter. Some people of tremendous courage
came into the cathedral quarter and breathed life into it in very
tough times. I dont want to see us lose our way. There is
a sense of vibrancy around the city. But it mustnt just be
commerce-driven and we need to be very careful that in creating
open spaces we build in adequate management of them. While I love
to see young people on their skateboards out there in Writers
Square, some day some elderly person is going to be crashed into
and injured. Sadly it also provides a place where young people overindulge
in alcohol.
There has been
an immense improvement in this area and we have had a constructive
dialogue with developers, and the other local people involved. It
is part of the role of Dean to know who is doing what. I think that
one has to recognise that economically, developers will do what
developers will do, but if you can dialogue and come up with reasonable
suggestions you stand a fairly good chance of getting a hearing.
At times one has to be a bit fussy or even aggressive in putting
forward ones views. The celtic cross on the north side of
the cathedral is the largest celtic cross in Ireland and is at an
iconic gateway into the city. If an unsightly building was put up
between that cross and the crossroads you would lose something.
I want to see
the greening of the city. I would love to see the Buoys Park being
recreated as the Park of Peace, which would go with the Spire of
Hope. The Park of Peace could serve as the north anchor for a green
avenue of trees linking the green spaces of the centre of the city
from here to the City Hall to the Botanic Gardens.
AR: What
has the response been to the spire?
HMcK: Some
people think it is tremendous, others think Oh dear!.
It is not being ignored! Physically it couldnt be much different
to what it is. With the nature of the subsoil here we couldnt
put up a stone spire. This design was chosen because it is of our
day and generation. It is quite a feat of engineering to put up
a spire that height which is not in contact with the ground. There
have been innumerable attempts to do something. Laganside gave us
the funding for the competition and we felt it was right to borrow
from our small resources. Timing is everything, and we sold our
shares at the time when the market was good and managed even to
outdistance the rising price of stainless steel. I like to think
that it was quite literally a God-given opportunity and if we didnt
take this opportunity it would never be done.
AR: What
is the spire an expression of?
HMcK: It is
an expression of hope in God; it is also an expression of faithfulness.
It is also a public statement that we are here, we have our values,
we have our beliefs and we want to share them.
The skyline
of Belfast, thank God, is dominated by cranes, which is all about
finance and making money - and there is not a lot wrong with that.
But I feel that many people think the church is on the back foot.
People much wider than the Church of Ireland have been affected
positively by a group of Christian people who said, Lets
go for it and lets contribute something to the skyline of
the new city and to a cathedral which everybody can identify with.
I would like to think that this feature will become as accepted
as the Albert Clock or Samson and Goliath or the dome of the City
Hall and people will say, I come from Belfast, we have a Spire
of Hope.
When the spire
is being dedicated, Fr Kennedy from St Peters, the Rev Ken
Newell, former Presbyterian Moderator and Rev Donald Ker, the Secretary
of the Methodist church will be joining us because we genuinely
want an ecumenical group standing below the Spire of Hope. And Bishop
Patrick Walsh will be there and friends from other churches. I hope
it will be a good night for the Christian community and a good night
for the city.
The VERY
REV DR HOUSTON MCKELVEY was interviewed by Anna Rankin on 6th
September 2007.
INTERVIEW WITH
VERY REV HUGH KENNEDY, Administrator of St Peters Cathedral,
Belfast.
AR: What is
your vision for St Peters?
HUGH KENNEDY:
In many ways were coming afresh to the notion of what a cathedral
should be. Most cathedrals within the Catholic tradition in Ireland
were primarily the largest church in the central town or city of
a diocese, which had the secondary role of being a cathedral.
In the churchs
understanding, the cathedral is the mother church of the diocese,
and it is where the bishops chair is, the cathedra. It is
the focus of diocesan unity and it is the place where the liturgy
or the way we worship should be exemplary for the rest of the whole
diocese. When I was moved here, the emphasis was to look at this
role as a cathedral so I want to get across this vision of a cathedral
and of what it is meant to be.
Increasingly,
we are getting a lot of visitors here in St Peters and we
have an increasingly international role. We now have copies of the
readings in five or six languages, so that if someone comes in they
can at least follow the Scripture readings of the Mass in French,
Italian, Polish, Czech, Croatian, German or whatever. If people
are going to visit a city and they want to worship they will naturally
gravitate towards the cathedral. So we now have a greater sense
of outreach to international people.
In November
we are going to have a Mass in Polish for all the people living
in the diocese to make them feel that this is the church that they
can come to even if they are living in small isolated groups
in some cases.
Also we are
celebrating 800 years at the end of the month of the founding of
the Dominican Order. People are coming from all over the diocese
here to the cathedral to celebrate because it is the natural place
for such occasions.
When I came
here I looked at the liturgy and realised the importance of music.
So I sent out little feelers to different musicians and asked how
they would feel if there was a welcome sent out to different choirs
to come and sing at some of our Masses. I have been very touched
and moved because we have literally been inundated. Once a month
we have a full sung Mass. This isnt a concert this
is the solemn liturgy that people would expect to have in a cathedral.
Most of the choirs coming in fact arent Catholic choirs but
they have sung this music in recitals and now they want to have
the opportunity of singing the Mass in the context for which it
was written. It is not just a secular piece of music; it is an unbroken
tradition. We get two or three times the congregation at those Masses
and a fair amount are people who arent Catholics. So to that
extent there is a liturgical outreach as well. We have done some
concerts, but when sacred music is sung in the context of the praise
of God it takes on a completely different level to a performance
from a concert platform and that is one of the things I want to
do here.
This year for
the first time we had what is known as the RCIA, the Rite of the
Christian Initiation of Adults, which is the rite for those who
are adults, who were baptised or were received into the church in
different places in the diocese. We had a special Mass for them
with the Bishop on Pentecost Sunday with the usual bun worry
afterwards. The idea was that this was a diocesan celebration for
anyone who had been received or baptised as an adult.
We still have
a parish of about 4,000-5,000 people around us. It is an inner city
parish that has come through three major population changes in the
last 30-40 years. First of all, from being a small close-knit community,
the small houses were removed and the population was dispersed.
Some never came back, others did, but those who did came back to
the Divis Flats. In the 1960s and 70s that kind of development was
thought to be the way of the future, but we realise now that it
wasnt putting people in that kind of housing caused
all sorts of other social problems. In the midst of the Troubles
this was one of the most difficult areas. Then that population was
shifted out and houses were built. Over the past 30 years people
have moved in here who have had no long-term connection with the
area and that has caused problems too. Each of these changes caused
damage and fractures in the community.
The parish
community has come through a lot of troubles and problems
both social and political. And we still have people who are carrying
a lot of wounds from the civil unrest of the last 30-40 years. There
is a lot of secularisation and a lot of social problems, particularly
with the young people. There have been tremendous efforts to overcome
car crime, and thankfully that seems to have improved. Like any
inner city parish there are problems of underage drinking and drugs
and all of that. However, there are a lot of good things happening
too. We still have a youth club here, we still have a lot of other
organisations and the schools in the area are doing a lot to reach
out so yes, challenging times, difficult times, but you have
to have hope in the future.
There are parts
of Belfast that people from outside are still genuinely nervous
about going into. Divis, the Lower Falls would still present those
problems for some people. We need to show that the centre of Belfast
is expanding. Things need to be done; these areas must be seen to
be welcoming. Murals of masked faces and guns are now very successfully
being replaced by less threatening images. I think that is desperately
important, not only for the impression it gives visitors, who find
it very intimidating, but also for the children growing up. The
notion that these men with masks and guns, from whatever paramilitary
organisation, are people to look up to or admire that is
the past.
In the grounds
of the cathedral we have something like 22 lights and have floodlighting
in the winter but the street lighting is incredibly poor. So anybody
leaving the Westlink gets the impression that they are going into
this place of darkness where there is an almost sinister atmosphere.
So we need to work with people dealing with the environment. The
image of Belfast we want to portray is of a place of welcome, a
place of security, where people feel free and are at ease. Not the
image of a city where people still feel there are no-go areas because
there is danger, either day or night and the church has to
be there at the forefront of that.
AR: What
is the vision of the city that you preach, teach, and celebrate?
HK: Belfast
is a rapidly changing city, more so than any other part of Northern
Ireland in the last four or five years. The building that is going
on around us, the visitors that are coming in, the cruise ships
that are coming to Belfast that in itself is an amazing thing
the different ethnic groups that are coming to live here
and to work here, and above anything else, the growing rapport between
people who would not normally have met from across the political
divide hands of friendship are now going out.
I think it
is very important that we recognise that Belfast is rapidly changing
and that is one of the reasons why the twin cathedral partnership
is so important. It is a sign that we are complimentary to each
other and our roles are complimentary. We are to build up that sense
of the spiritual presence in the city of Belfast. Even with the
new spire that has gone up on St Annes and with our own twin
spires people will see the two cathedrals on the skyline. We share
the common mission of making the presence of God present in the
world of everyday things. The idea of a spire was, even in the middle
ages, a way of prompting people to look up, to point them to the
things of heaven, to raise them from the ordinary common level.
If we are not there, then all this resurgence, renaissance, what
ever you want to call it, of the city of Belfast will be purely
on secular lines. The spiritual dimension has to be there, or else
we are losing part of our true identity. I really believe that.
I have a very
strong personal relationship and friendship with Dean Houston McKelvey.
The cathedral partnership is very important and thanks be to God
for it.
The St Annes
Cathedral Choir has been here and our Cathedral Boys Choir has sung
over there. Even for the dedication of the new spire last week,
I did one of the readings and stood under the spire and I was very
touched by that. When we reopened the cathedral my predecessor here
Monsignor Toner and Dean Houston McKelvey brought in the water for
the new baptismal font together and prayed for the union of all
Christians. People said they found that the most moving part of
the ceremony. As we share the one baptism therefore we share the
proclamation of the gospel of Christ.
AR: The
cathedral recently underwent a complete restoration; can you tell
us a little about that?
HK: Like so
many buildings in Belfast, it is built of Scrabo Sandstone, which
is a soft stone, and that had to be restored. The interior had gone
through several renovations, including those due to the liturgical
changes after the Second Vatican Council, but it was decided to
go back to the original sense of the Victorian Gothic Revival. It
is a full Victorian church and the idea was to bring back the original
Victorian colours and restore it to its original beauty because
bit by bit over the years it had darkened. The idea was to go back
to the original vision the original architect, a young priest called
Fr Jeremiah McCauley, had for the city. The land was given by Bernard
Hughes at a very difficult time they had a sense that it
needed a substantial church in this part of Belfast for the Catholic
community, most of whom would have worked in the local mills. So
our idea was to restore it, to give some of this original vision
back, and to make it a worthy place for the celebration of the liturgy
and a cathedral liturgy at that. I know it is a parish church, but
now its first call is as the place where the diocese will meet on
major occasions.
St Peters
has one of the most remarkable Victorian interiors in Belfast. When
it was built in 1866 it was completely surrounded by what would
have been called kitchen houses and all the mills and
the smoke and the dirt. When the local people walked in they would
have been struck by the vibrant colours and the height and would
have had a sense of this is ours. We need to bring that
sense of a true pride back to a people who, for the last 30 or 40
years, have had the heart knocked out of them. People need that
sense of beauty Hans Urs von Balthasar has an incredible
theology of beauty, he says that if you take beauty from the world
then you are taking something of the hope out of peoples lives
and the sense of God. So the church has to be there, I believe,
giving that sense of beauty back to people, a sense of something
greater.
I fear that
because we are suddenly finding wealth in Belfast it is almost as
if anything will do. Many of the buildings going up now are making
the same mistake that people made in the 1960s we are building
buildings that are just uninspired. It is almost as if the taller
and bigger the building, the better. What that says to people is
You dont matter anything that looks big and successful
is sufficient and I think that is awful. Some of the most
recently built buildings are appallingly mediocre architecturally.
But if you look at buildings from the Victorian era when Belfast
was emerging with a sense of its confidence some of the most beautiful
buildings: the Customs House, Queens University even
the City Hall with all its exuberance they were making a
statement, saying, We believe in the future of this city so
that we want to build buildings that are things of beauty and of
lasting quality. Whereas the impression that you are getting
at the moment is, Anything will do, stick it up and
I think we are losing a valuable opportunity.
Pope John Paul
II spoke of artistic expression as co-creation with God. When artists
give of their art they have that power to give a glimpse of the
beauty of God. Go and see what was built in Eastern Europe in the
50s, 60s and 70s and you get a sense of what happens when people
lose that sense of the beauty of God. I really believe that
the buildings there are monumental, they are cold, they dominate,
there is a functionalism about them, there is a lack of grace and
a lack of beauty. And that equally reflects the attitude towards
the individual within a totalitarian communist state. The regeneration
of a city has to take account of the human dimension.
One reason
why it was so important that we restored St. Peters Cathedral
was to give back a sense that this is open for anyone to walk into.
It was an incredible statement of belief in the future of this city
and the diocese by Bishop Walsh.
The VERY
REV HUGH KENNEDY was interviewed by Anna Rankin on 18th September
2007.
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